.. You've been answered already but yes, they mix well of course with anything else acrylic (TBH, I have never run into any issues of mixing within acrylic brands so the question is odd for me). I've also read that Scale75 paints are pretty amazing, particularly the inks. Mixing, as with any acrylic base paints, is fine. RMS metals are decent for metal glazing. Email support@herrickgames.com for any questions. http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/media/e588d28183cec31ffd6dcee6d3718fc3.cms/equivalencias-rev05.pdf As i can't find any decent spray primer here in dubai i've decide to use paint on primer. So it all boils down to your paint style since they behave a bit different. Summary: I am trying to decide on a complete paint set between Scale75, Army Painter or Vallejo Game Colour/Air. Thinner then the Scale. You do need to take the consistency of the different formulas in consideration, but I mix with normal tapwater without problems. ( 4) Most P3 Paints do not match closely with the old GW range, but a detailed explanation of each paint can be found here: http://www.brushthralls.com/pre-painting-prep/color-theory-10p3.html Similar to Nihilakh Oxide or the Antithesis paints by Warcolour, they behave more like highly diluted acrylic paints. Not really an issue for me as I'm a patient painter. I have noticed that they have a tendency to separate after not being used, but not whilst in use. Instant Colors also have a special feature: they work on dark primers and basecoats, unlike Contrast and Shades, which just make a dark basecoat even darker. Unable to find a paint that you used to use? I have not yet been able to test the primers, nor the Dispel Magic Acryl Medium, which is probably Scale75s answer to Contrast Medium. Is there something that would make Vallejo a better choice? Shining gold has the most noticeable difference,(****) P3 Paints did not really match very closely with the old GW range, but a detailed explanation of each paint can be found here:http://www.brushthralls.com/pre-painting-prep/color-theory-10p3.html(*****) GW's new range matches with the old range are the matches claimed by GW. But, it has been incredibly useful. Thank you very much! http://www.ttfxmedia.com/vallejo/cgi-bin/_modelis_info.asp?p1=ing&p2=modelcolor&p3=1#modelcolorinfo Where can I go wrong?). Scale75 Between history and legend (empty) SCALE75 SCALE GAMES SCALECOLOR WARFRONT MODEL KITS SCALE EDITIONS SERVICES OUTLET Prev Next New arrivals Popular Best Sellers Specials New FREE MARY READ 1/12 BUST 18,18 Add to cart More Follow us on Facebook Shipping From Spain in the next 48h after the order is placed. http://www.ttfxmedia.com/vallejo/cgi-bin/_modelis_info.asp?p1=ing&p2=gamecolor&p3=1#gamecolorinfo The primers are available in 60 ml bottles for airbrushing. i've tried so far 2 primers but the real issue here is the hot/humidity of the country that is not giving me good results. Its most noticeable on the purity seals multiple layers of Phoenix Egg and Salmon Fury make the colours more opaque, while additional layers of Contrast make the shading darker. I have kept the ol' Citadel pots as they are too "used" (some nice colours too) to be saleable and I'll be reassessing what I need. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Herrick Games sends out a semi-regular newsletter detailing some of the newest product offerings and making you aware of new discounts and our always low prices! I believe there was already a thread about scale 75. Yes I should have hit up the search function .. good grief 23 pages. If you intend to primarily use them with paintbrush, then its a matter of painting style. (*) discontinued,(**) approximate,(***) coat d'arms match the OLD citadel colours so there might be some difference. Scale 75 has more colors I can see myself using whereas Vallejo has some that might not ever be opened. The last 20 times Csar Vallejo have played Sport Huancayo H2H there have been on average 2 goals scored per game. In this review, we find out if Scale75 Instant Colors can compete with Contrast, and what the differences are between the two products. Apparently, 150 ml and 400 ml spray cans are also planned, but I have not been able to find these anywhere yet. I use distilled water in the jug. As noted, you don't need to completely cover the model. Scale 75 doesn't come with any metallics. I would definately pick up a thinner with them if I go that way. Entre la historia y la leyenda. He lives in Craftworld Hamburg, located in the north of Germany, where he walks the Path of the Graphic Designer. ( 8) According to provided conversion chart, This table has been compiled using data from the following sources: That being said: The majority of my paints are Reaper and Scale 75. 12 double-sided boards. Shining gold has the most noticeable difference. Both flow improver and matte medium are designed to prevent the kind of separation Harrek is talking about. You cannot paste images directly. It's easy. I have always thought that was the way it is with Scale75, and not worried about it. less cover. No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Vallejo Model Color: INSTAR 6: INSTAR Vintage: Rackham: Reaper Master: Privateer Press P3 4: Coat D'arms 3: Army Painter: Scale 75: Two Thin Coats 8: Hex Code White Scar Skull White 1: Dead White (001) White (951) Arctic White Eternal White (1) Pure White (9039) Morrow white White (101) Matt White (WP1102) Their paint ranges all fall under the Scalecolor banner. One can costs fourth of what the Vallejo costed, and the quality is better. I am never going back to any other metallic paints again. Here is an overview and comparison of all 48 colours and in which paint set they can be found: May 29, 2017 in General Discussion. http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=300952&orignav=300810 Powered by Invision Community. It has a couple metallics too if you wish to investigate. Imprimacin vallejo: https://amzn.to/2DfDRbrImprimacin blanca citadel: https://amzn.to/2D9CUl6TIENDA EN AMAZON CON TODO LO QUE UTILIZO!! Vallejo rattle can primer was ok, but super expensive.Tried some car primers I found from local hardware store, and haven't looked back. Anyone have knowledge on what the closes to these are. Support our work by using the affiliate links from our /partner stores for your next hobby purchases so we can continue to bring you fantastic FREE content every day: Thanks a lot, we appreciate any help to continue and grow Tale of Painters . I've been exploring other paint ranges lately. Think of Technical paint Nihilakh Oxide, which has a quite similar formula as Instant Colors. I am going to buy a colour set to paint mid war panzers and is looking for opinion on the makers above. Then I discovered Scale 75. Has something been discontinued? Scale 75 Inktense red ink vs Vallejo Game ink red comparison 3,835 views Aug 4, 2017 27 Dislike Share Save HQBunker 163 subscribers I have been asked to check the Scale 75 ink on. Like others have said, Scale 75 are great. List modified from this post on Dakka Dakka. My Citadel are too old and used to be worth selling and I do use them sometimes. But the water separates from the paint quickly with the Scale75 for me always for some reason. All I see is that it'd be easier to use, but that's not really an issue for me. $68.00. Display as a link instead, As the title says, my google fu has failed me. Everything from tabletop wargames to board games, display pieces or just for fun! Scale75 paints work well in an airbrush too, at least with the right thinner. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. http://www.nugaming.com/html/vallejo_paints.html#CitadelVallajoConversionTable I find the Scale75 don't thin as well with plain old water. I can't find any comparison charts or swatches with Scale 75 vs, Scale 75 Paint Comparison vs Citadel and Vallejo. Distribution into the US is good now (I think) and because of their quality, they can compete in fair terms with any other paints. I spent 100 hours painting this Barbarian. He transitioned from Lego to Games Workshop models at the tender age of 11 and didn't look back ever since. Some assumptions: 1 i've used cheap synthetic brush 2 i've put 3 drops of each on wet pallet 3 no dilution 4 paint at normal pace but without too much care. It is indeed a primer for acrylic paint; but is intended for use on canvas and other porous materials. Paint coverage is amazing. Dark Angels, White Stars, Flesh Tearers, The Void, David Johnston (Brother Argos) and the Bolter and Chainsword. So I finally gave in and picked some up. A delta of less than 3 (green blocks) represent a very close match, nearly visually indistinguishable. Even if you see brush strokes that is fine, it is just a thin layer for paint to adhere too and the brush strokes won;t be visible once you put paint on top. Scale 75: Fallen Frontiers - Diane Tianseen Bust. http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/paint.htm https://redgrimm.github.io/paint-conversion/p3.html Powered by Invision Community. Some paints, like the flesh ones, have a traslucency tendency that makes them a dream for layering, but a nightmare for basecoating, so be ready to use a different paint/brand for a flesh basecoat or do 6 coats of SC75 basic flesh LOL. I can't find any comparison charts or swatches with Scale 75 vs GW, Vallejo, P3 etc. I'd say that Scale 75 flats and the Vallejo model colours works fine with layering since they are relatively (the others) much thicker and therefore you have a wider span of consistency to choose from when thinning them. People mainly use it to airbrush but on the bottle it says you can also brush it on. Reply desolatecontrol Additional comment actions I have a few, the scale 75 has this smooth flake less look to it, where the Vallejo is pretty close, but not as smooth. I've had very good results with Army Painter recently, particularly the red for my Blood Angels, so I've been picking those up too. GUARDIA DE LA NOCHE! By Vallejos are much, much, more forgiving to work with than the Scale 75 paints. No, I have not tried plain water, I mix up enough gunk for a month a time when I need to. scale editions +-scale editions; scale 75 +-aeternum; busts to scale; complements; degenesis; fallen frontiers - 75mm; ferrer dalmau; heros and legends; keith rocco; middle ages; naughty gears; north & south; platinum series; rome; scale world fantasy; sceneries 1:24; scrappers new age; song of gods; steam wars; tales in scale; texas revolution . They are not the normal Vallejo metals they are their own thing. Orbecome a patron on Patreon for exclusive tutorials, guides, and behind-the-scenes content. Consistency and pigmentation of Instant Colors are more comparable to Citadel Shades or Washes from The Army Painters Warpaints range though. Imprimacin vallejo: https://amzn.to/2DfDRbr Imprimacin blanca citadel: https://amzn.to/2D9CUl6TIENDA EN AMAZON CON TODO LO QUE UTILIZO!! A side effect of Instant Colors opacity is that with several applications blotchy areas on smooth surfaces are reduced, while with Contrast the staining often becomes more pronounced, see the Space Marines glove. document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "abe1de9890592ed38750e1823c3d2f24" );document.getElementById("bf36fdcb51").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Tale of Painters is an unofficial Warhammer hobby magazine run by hobbyists like you. Scale 75 paints are good, but they're not that much better than Vallejo. There is something about an alcohol-based formula that produces a metallic finish that is bright and magnificent. http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?s=c770bc029dd218be5d17fff14fecefeb&showtopic=17678&st=0&p=266494&#entry266494 The pigments will gather and settle in the recesses, drying opaque, which can come in handy for creating rust and dirt, and even some basic glow effects. I was planning to just buy the basic set and be done with it (72 paints for $200? You can handle it, but it is not as trouble free as AK or Ammo. https://shop.instarpaint.com Review: Vallejo Xpress Color copycat or Contrast slayer? : https://amzn.to/2Mw0AGsELEGOO MARS: https://amzn.to/2Oztx3YARTILLERY X1: https://amzn.to/3c5ThhDRESINA LAVABLE: https://amzn.to/2LaqahQRESINA GRIS: https://amzn.to/2P2vk0HANYCUBIC: https://amzn.to/33DV34BFEP: https://amzn.to/37S7RHYEXTRUSOR COMPLETO: https://amzn.to/2KZHeGrRODAMIENTOS: https://amzn.to/2ZctGRWBOQUILLAS BARATAS: https://amzn.to/2Lf2LvdPLA: https://amzn.to/2ZfBu5p1 Litro ALCOHOL ISOPROPILICO: https://amzn.to/2Lqy3zN5 Litros ALCOHOL ISOPROPILICO: https://amzn.to/2YlppIaRESINA ANYCUBIC : https://amzn.to/3bXeU3tCOMPRAR CAJA BASICA JUEGO DE TRONOS! The metallics are closere to the F&G formula, Yep, we have talked the SC75 paints for lengths perhaps the search function would be good? The Army Painter will soon release Speedpaints, and last year Scale75 funded their one coat paint via Kickstarter. But after looking at the Vallejo GC basic set, a lot of the "paints" are special effects, inks, or varnishes. http://www.ttfxmedia.com/vallejo/cgi-bin/_modelis_carta.asp?p1=ing&p2=gamecolor do you think it is better to use GW base (medium) brush? The gloss coat was not necessary for this paint and only make a marginal difference. As with all Scale75 paints, you need to punch the dropper canal with a pointed tool before the paint can be released. I am curious if the 75's will mix (wet) with RMS and the few Vallejo and Citadel pots I have left Willem, is this what you were referring to? I have no problems with mixing Scale and reaper paints. I have built up my current collection of paints over the last 20 years from GW, Vallejo Model and Game, Army Painter and Darkstar Molten Metals. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. AK or Ammo, which are mostly the same in handling with some tonal variations between each other. Can you also do a test with badger primer? I have a birthiday coming up and it has been suggested by my wife that I get a complete paint set. In this instance I find mixing Scale 75 paints with other brands difficult if there is a marked difference in shine. Both paints have a hard time with flat surfaces like power armour and dry quite blotchy without further thinning. I really like to paint flamethrowers. Whoosh! If you are trying to match old GW with new GW, you'd be better just getting Vallejo game color or coat d'arms for the closest match ), ) after testing does not match GW color (really far), (******) 98-99% colour matches, colour difference is so minute it's very difficult to tell the difference when painting models side by side, (*******) 3rd-5th Edition Replicas, same 98-99% matching criteria, http://www.brushthralls.com/pre-painting-prep/color-theory-10p3.html. If you're a glazer and/or a wet palette user, I'd stay away from Vallejo paints, because they separate so quickly and heavily. I tend to mix colours and hence brands and you have cleared up the two brands that I will be mixing most often. Too thick of a paint which clogs details. Miniatures can be painted with pretty much any paint brand shown . Unlike Contrast colours and Citadel Shades (and inks like Game Color Inks), Instant Colors are not based on a dying agent, but on thinned acrylic pigments. Here is the ultimate painting matrix, comparing the games workshop Citadel paints with every known equivalent. primer / spray are very not so common here. Their metallics are amazing and the Inktense are very handy as well. It depends, If the primarily use of the paints is airbrushing, it doesn't really matter, you thin the paints down to milk consistency and then you shoot it out of an airbrush straight away barely giving them time to separate, and they all are pretty good airbrush paints as far as I have used them, advantage with Vallejo air range is that they need very little thinning if any at all for airbrushing. Privacy Policy. They work great as washes or glazes, and if you apply several coats, you can achieve interesting effects thanks to their pigment-based formula. Citadel Vallejo Model Vallejo Game P3 Formula Army Painter The number at the end of the description of every matched color is the delta (the mathematical distance between the colors). I was thinking about getting the full Fantasy and Games range from them; I have a coupon so it actually comes out a fair bit cheaper. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. https://www.amazon.es/shop/khazalidApoyarme en Patreon! By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Want to find the equivalent paint in a different range? You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. If you are trying to match old GW with new GW, you'd be better just getting Vallejo game color or coat d'arms for the closest match )(color name) after testing does not match GW color (really far)(******) 98-99% colour matches, colour difference is so minute it's very difficult to tell the difference when painting models side by side(*******) 3rd-5th Edition Replicas, same 98-99% matching criteria. Thinner then the Scale. I even did two video reviews of them comparing to RMS and Vallejo back when nobody knew them well. I'm not sure I get the appeal. Haven't tried the P3 or Scale75 non-metallic paints at any length, using a variety (RMS, Ral Partha, Vallejo, Armory, whatever for those. Restore formatting, They do separate in the bottle but as knarthex says, not in use. Do other brands of paint show the same issue? This might be a not so welcome effect with vehicle surfaces. Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Looking for pre-orders? Everything seems to scream "BUY SCALE 75!" Vallejo Metal color "White Aluminium" 77.706 Vallejo, Aircraft Scale Modelling, Aircraft Scale ModellingPaint, Vallejo Metal Colour is a range of 18 water-based metallic colours, especially designed for airbrushing. Quick thoughts after the first use. I've heard Scale 75 is a bit harder to use and is actually harder to base coat with, which is surprisingly because the paints are quite thick. Still, I'm going to expand my Instant Color collection. Primer doesn't need full coverage. The specular highlight was already well defined before and this just makes it brighter and more focused. You can handle it, but it is not as trouble free as AK or Ammo. I bet you can get spray paint primers used for cars in Dubai. 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